tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post5330173729370789445..comments2024-03-27T20:37:09.185-05:00Comments on Alexander Pruss's Blog: The afterlife of humans and animalsAlexander R Prusshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-47902030816732896652022-10-06T16:22:18.602-05:002022-10-06T16:22:18.602-05:00Dr Pruss, if we accept both Aristotelian optimism ...Dr Pruss, if we accept both Aristotelian optimism as well as theism would this require that when God creates a world he must cause the creatures in that world to fulfill their nature? It seems that if we are to have knowledge of things natures we must have confidence that God always or mostly causes things to fulfill their nature, however it would also seem to put a lot of constraints on what God can will.Trevor Girouxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10696576443870422348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-67416729019084512362022-08-31T10:27:49.552-05:002022-08-31T10:27:49.552-05:00Scott:
Maybe. That's quite interesting. Perha...Scott:<br /><br />Maybe. That's quite interesting. Perhaps the thing to say is that in those species the primary goal is to contribute to the reproduction of the species by increasing the probability of there being a next generation, and they all do that. Flourishing may be more communal in these cases? Perhaps in these species, actually reproducing is like winning the lottery--it's good if you do, but not bad if you don't. But flourishing is playing the lottery.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-53412549635394998442022-08-30T14:45:48.217-05:002022-08-30T14:45:48.217-05:00That is interesting. Regarding the I type cases: A...That is interesting. Regarding the I type cases: As I understand it, a number of species, maybe even most, have evolved in such a way that the reproductive process is as follows: they have a bunch of offspring, only a few of them survive. So insofar as their ecological niche is the same as the ecology to which they have evolved to fit, perhaps their niche is one in which things go pretty wrong most of the time. Now, again as I understand it, most such organisms die really really young. And it is unclear exactly how bad their lives are. Nevertheless, it seems to me at least, that their lives are importantly incomplete and they aren't living in the way that they are supposed to and in the fullness for which God has intended for them. And most of them, in the environment which they evolved to fit, don't get to do the things you list as what is important for them to do, such as reproduction, etc.scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709377505803597851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-11553685239602171082022-08-30T14:08:39.960-05:002022-08-30T14:08:39.960-05:00The "tend to" in my statement of Aristot...The "tend to" in my statement of Aristotelian optimism is rather vague, and I don't have a good account of it. However, it is not meant to imply that in every case, the majority of instances goes right. By violence it is possible to make the majority of instances to go wrong--we could make sure that all sheep have less than four legs, that no oak tree grows more than two feet tall, etc. <br /><br />I think what I'd like to say is something like this: in the natural ecological niche, most of the instances go right.<br /><br />The chickens are not in their natural ecological niche. What the natural ecological niche for domesticated animals is is unclear, though.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-71854998738537922082022-08-30T13:52:39.350-05:002022-08-30T13:52:39.350-05:00I'd be curious to hear what you think about th...I'd be curious to hear what you think about the following cases.<br /><br />I: Five baby birds are pushed out of their nests and fall to their deaths by one of their siblings.<br /><br />II: A chicken lives a life of torment in a factory farm without any opportunity to reproduce or enjoy the goods that a chicken should enjoy.<br /><br />As I understand it, in some species, I type scenarios are the norm rather than the exception. And, as I understand it, II type scenarios are the norm for chickens. If that is right, then would the baby birds and the chickens need an afterlife for Aristotelian optimism to be true?<br /><br />scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709377505803597851noreply@blogger.com