tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post7429419059854654432..comments2024-03-27T20:37:09.185-05:00Comments on Alexander Pruss's Blog: A Molinist theodicy for infant deathAlexander R Prusshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-69412033189243598102010-11-09T16:36:47.579-06:002010-11-09T16:36:47.579-06:00I am completely untroubled by the conjunction of f...I am completely untroubled by the conjunction of foreknowlege and free will. The problem of sovereignty and free will is definitely more vexing. I've worked on things relevant to that problem, but have not tried to tackle the concept of sovereignty head-on. But see a post that will come up in a day or two.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-92071775045325677912010-11-08T20:09:32.081-06:002010-11-08T20:09:32.081-06:00Bert:
I'm sure Alex can answer for himself. B...Bert:<br /><br />I'm sure Alex can answer for himself. But, meantime, this from Prof. Freddoso should help you:<br /><br />http://www.nd.edu/~afreddos/courses/265/providen.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-56063159047524336312010-11-07T10:56:54.691-06:002010-11-07T10:56:54.691-06:00RE: "I am completely untroubled by the relati...RE: "I am completely untroubled by the relationship between foreknowledge and free will."<br /><br />I'm not sure I follow your point here. Even if God is outside time so that He can just "see" the future, wouldn't he have needed to "see" the future prior to creating the world to maintain Divine sovereignty? And to do this he either <br /><br />1. Must determine the future prior to its happening (no free will); or<br /><br />2. Known what the creatures would do in the circumstances prior to their doing it (Molinism).<br /><br />Or, of course you could opt for:<br /><br />3. Deny Divine sovereignty. <br /><br />But, in any event, if you could clarify your position it would be greatly appreciated.Latenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028986769458356612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-60590822458422219382008-03-18T20:37:00.000-05:002008-03-18T20:37:00.000-05:00I am completely untroubled by the relationship bet...I am completely untroubled by the relationship between foreknowledge and free will. God is outside of time, and even if he were in time, it wouldn't create a problem. Libertarian free will requires that the action not be determined by anything "prior" to the action. But "prior" here should not be read as temporal priority, but as explanatory priority.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-58403058102399691262008-03-18T20:35:00.000-05:002008-03-18T20:35:00.000-05:00That's interesting. Is there a specific landscape...That's interesting. Is there a specific landscape you use to reconcile the omniscience of God with human free will?normajeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612628618334389249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-20701430376328517492008-03-18T09:05:00.000-05:002008-03-18T09:05:00.000-05:00I have three main problems with Molinism.1. It see...I have three main problems with Molinism.<BR/><BR/>1. It <A HREF="http://prosblogion.ektopos.com/archives/2008/01/a-valid-argumen.html" REL="nofollow">seems to violate the Principle of Alternate Possibilities</A>. <BR/><BR/>2. The old grounding problem...<BR/><BR/>3. It seems that if there are non-trivially meaningful conditionals of free will about us, there are non-trivially meaningful conditionals of free will about God. But the latter would seem to be a problem, because (a) then God would know them and this knowledge might would endanger divine deliberation, and (b) they would seem to be a violation of God's sovereignty about himself.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-33107120682099902802008-03-17T22:49:00.000-05:002008-03-17T22:49:00.000-05:00Alex, You wrote: Molinism is useful. It's too bad ...Alex, <BR/><BR/>You wrote: Molinism is useful. It's too bad that I don't think it's true.<BR/><BR/>Bill Craig is my hero… ergo, Molinism is true =) <BR/><BR/>Seriously though... What about Molinism doesn't seem true? I mean one needn't apply Molina’s vantage point to every conceivable circumstance<BR/><BR/>NJnormajeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612628618334389249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-90125828441900471012008-03-17T22:46:00.000-05:002008-03-17T22:46:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.normajeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06612628618334389249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-38546090038578748542008-03-17T14:45:00.000-05:002008-03-17T14:45:00.000-05:00Mike:Yes, that was one of my initial reactions... ...Mike:<BR/><BR/>Yes, that was one of my initial reactions... <BR/><BR/>Maybe it helps if we reflect that, assuming Molinism, almost surely there are circumstances C such that were we in C, we would be very evil. So, if we're not very evil, that's only by the grace of God which ensured that we're not in C.<BR/><BR/>The only difference is that for that child, living into adulthood is such a circumstance.<BR/><BR/>I am not endorsing the view. It seems somewhat improbable.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-31316219140688497162008-03-17T13:35:00.000-05:002008-03-17T13:35:00.000-05:00Geeze, this is an awful thing for the parents of t...Geeze, this is an awful thing for the parents of these infants to bear in mind. He died early, yes, but not to worry, he would have been very evil. It's difficult to believe that anyone would offer such speculation.Mike Almeidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12001511002085064198noreply@blogger.com