tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post154353664245603799..comments2024-03-28T19:56:42.305-05:00Comments on Alexander Pruss's Blog: Divine hiddenness and a fallacy of practical reasoningAlexander R Prusshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-29367321801059058842014-10-10T15:14:29.663-05:002014-10-10T15:14:29.663-05:00I hasten to add that the fallacy in the argument t...I hasten to add that the fallacy in the argument that I gave isn't in Schellenberg. Also, most of the positive contribution of this post is in Howard-Snyder 1996. See Schellenberg's comments <a href="http://prosblogion.ektopos.com/2014/10/06/hiddenness-and-the-necessary-condition-fallacy/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-49635909042810536522014-10-07T21:17:24.452-05:002014-10-07T21:17:24.452-05:00That's possible, too, but in this post I am gr...That's possible, too, but in this post I am granting for the sake of argument that explicit belief in x is a necessary condition for a love relationship with x.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-7383673336914917882014-10-07T21:04:36.949-05:002014-10-07T21:04:36.949-05:00Dr. Pruss,
What do you think of the idea that it ...Dr. Pruss,<br /><br />What do you think of the idea that it might be more probable for some people to enter into a loving relationship with God if they don't believe he exists? One might think of anonymous Christians here.Mika's Piano Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14546069684545773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-43737599962069222312014-10-07T13:56:01.923-05:002014-10-07T13:56:01.923-05:00It does seem plausible that knowing that God exist...It does seem plausible that knowing that God exists increases the probability of entering into a love relationship with him.<br /><br />But (a) knowing that God exists and not loving him might be much worse than (b) not knowing that God exists and not loving him. So in cases where the probability of one's loving God is small, God might have very good reason not to give one knowledge that he exists.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-84819134303267300762014-10-07T13:53:42.069-05:002014-10-07T13:53:42.069-05:00Dr. Pruss,
Sorry for my last cryptic comment. What...Dr. Pruss,<br />Sorry for my last cryptic comment. What I meant is that while you say:<br /><br /> '13. every sufficiently epistemically rational creature would be very likely to enter into a love relationship with God upon receiving evidence that God exists,'<br /><br />Perhaps what would work better is something like:<br /><br />13. Every sufficiently epistemically rational creature would be very unlikely to enter into a love relationship with God without God calling that creature's attention to the evidence of His existence.<br /><br />Sorry about that.<br /><br /><br />Mark Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12691324025964108341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-14497232883430292812014-10-07T05:58:09.067-05:002014-10-07T05:58:09.067-05:0013. every sufficiently epistemically rational crea...13. every sufficiently epistemically rational creature would be very likely to enter into a love relationship with God upon receiving evidence that God exists,<br /><br />13. Every sufficiently epistemically rational creature would be very unlikely to enter into a love relationship with God without God calling that creature's attention to the evidence of His existence.<br /><br /><br /><br />Mark Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12691324025964108341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-89204880312069942522014-10-06T11:13:10.181-05:002014-10-06T11:13:10.181-05:00Heath:
There could well be upsides. God might exp...Heath:<br /><br />There could well be upsides. God might expect that this person's believing without loving would likely lead other people away from love of God. Or he might think that this person is more likely to come to love God if he matures more before he comes to believe. Or it might just be that believing and not loving is much worse than not believing and not loving.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-57269447817313862882014-10-06T11:04:45.623-05:002014-10-06T11:04:45.623-05:00If this is right, then one would think that God wo...If this is right, then one would think that God would decline to provide evidence of his existence only to those for whom it would not lead them to a love relationship with himself. Now this means that, prior to his decision about what sort of evidence to provide some person A, God either (i) knows or (ii) judges it probable that, if he were to provide evidence to A, it would not lead A to a love relationship with himself.<br /><br />If (i), we need Molinism or theological determinism to take this route to defusing arguments from divine hiddenness. If (ii), one might object that God is taking odd gambles (ones with no upside?) with people’s salvation.<br />Heath Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13535886546816778688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-18645174556656829272014-10-06T11:00:45.989-05:002014-10-06T11:00:45.989-05:00Mark:
The demons surely have evidence of God'...Mark:<br /><br />The demons surely have evidence of God's existence.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-43412177346764514542014-10-06T09:54:42.001-05:002014-10-06T09:54:42.001-05:00What if you changed 6 to read 'sufficient'...What if you changed 6 to read 'sufficient' evidence for belief, as demons 'know' God exists?Mark Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12691324025964108341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-11612971507277952382014-10-06T04:51:34.834-05:002014-10-06T04:51:34.834-05:00it seems likely that there are people who rational...<i>it seems likely that there are people who rationally believe in God but don't love him.</i><br /><br />At least partly my case. Lookin´ for the ways how to change things, but so far without much success. Keeping trying ...<br /><br />Sorry for being little off-topic.Jakub Moravčíkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03543628674375672591noreply@blogger.com