tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post6382550566566957641..comments2024-03-28T19:56:42.305-05:00Comments on Alexander Pruss's Blog: A new theory of limboAlexander R Prusshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-27073123507714932842016-04-09T14:37:39.740-05:002016-04-09T14:37:39.740-05:00Supposing that it is better for a created being to...Supposing that it is better for a created being to love God freely rather than as a necessary consequence of God's will (and this seems true to me), don't we have some reason to expect that God will provide that opportunity to those who perish as infants? Sure, they don't have that opportunity before they pass away, but why couldn't they have it afterwards?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06251565524682589544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-54413655503804293122016-04-09T14:37:36.113-05:002016-04-09T14:37:36.113-05:00Supposing that it is better for a created being to...Supposing that it is better for a created being to love God freely rather than as a necessary consequence of God's will (and this seems true to me), don't we have some reason to expect that God will provide that opportunity to those who perish as infants? Sure, they don't have that opportunity before they pass away, but why couldn't they have it afterwards?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06251565524682589544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-40759346919254779992016-04-04T20:02:18.761-05:002016-04-04T20:02:18.761-05:00"What I don't like about this theory is t...<br />"What I don't like about this theory is this: I have the intuition that God shouldn't force people to love him. But perhaps I should simply say: it is better to love freely, but loving unfreely is still good?"<br /><br />I think we assume that to see God and to know God entails that we would love God but we have the less than empirical evidence of the Angels that this is not necessarily the case. Mark Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12691324025964108341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-20162806301034410922016-04-04T11:38:15.866-05:002016-04-04T11:38:15.866-05:00Kevin:
Thanks! Kevin:<br /><br />Thanks! Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-52468437818533706902016-04-04T11:37:42.604-05:002016-04-04T11:37:42.604-05:00Heath:
I think it is possible to love without fre...Heath:<br /><br />I think it is possible to love without freedom. I don't think love *logically* requires a history of free choice. However, I think an unfree love is not optimal, because there is an important sense in which the love isn't really the person's own. I am not sure we disagree. We may simply disagree on whether freedom is compatible with divine determination.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-41660171507594260362016-04-03T22:46:45.113-05:002016-04-03T22:46:45.113-05:00Given your link to Tim's and mine earlier pape...Given your link to Tim's and mine earlier paper and the topic of the post, you may be interested in this recent paper of mine on limbo, Alex: http://kevintimpe.com/files/Limbo.pdfAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02660319869759949004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-14040207277698418342016-04-02T15:50:48.771-05:002016-04-02T15:50:48.771-05:00I think that love is logically connected to freedo...I think that love is logically connected to freedom, without freedom there is no love.<br /><br />2 possibilities seem to appear to me.<br /><br />One is, there is no snake in heaven. There is no evil to tempt us away from God. So they can have freedom without the likelihood of falling.<br /><br />The second, not incompatible, is that the lives of others who have sinned and then been forgiven serve to show those who have not sinned what sin does. They get aspects of character by observing others' failures.bethyadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08990677679970591625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-1470464564043564562016-04-01T14:24:51.205-05:002016-04-01T14:24:51.205-05:00"God should not force people to love him.&quo..."God should not force people to love him." By 'force' you do not mean 'make it the case against their will' since it is the formation of the will itself we are talking about here. So I think you must mean 'make it a necessary consequence of his will'. If that is not exactly what you mean, fill in a better definition.<br /><br />You have a pretty well-developed account of love. On that account, is there anything contrary to divine love in "forcing" (as defined above) someone to have a perfect character? Or is there anything suboptimal about the love thus "forced"? <br /><br />I'd actually be pretty interested in this answer.Heath Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13535886546816778688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-44960576584899372472016-04-01T14:05:49.785-05:002016-04-01T14:05:49.785-05:00I think the problem with it being good to still be...I think the problem with it being good to still be determined to love is that without universalism, it implies that God is consigning people to hell when he could have done otherwise and remained faithful to his covenant promises, etc., and that seems like a morally imperfect action.CWEC Small Grouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12889866189985583025noreply@blogger.com