tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post7292788834596879835..comments2024-03-28T19:56:42.305-05:00Comments on Alexander Pruss's Blog: Junia/Junias and the base rate fallacyAlexander R Prusshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-33062209506741284792019-06-20T20:03:10.811-05:002019-06-20T20:03:10.811-05:00To be more precise, I am very much interested in w...To be more precise, I am very much interested in whether Paul considered a woman to be an apostle in the authority sense. I am not much interested in whether Paul considered a woman to be an apostle in the witness sense.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-16369220642076337612019-06-20T17:04:52.542-05:002019-06-20T17:04:52.542-05:00That may be the sense of "apostle" that ...That may be the sense of "apostle" that you are most interested in, but it is only relevant to the interpretation of Rom 16:7 if that was the meaning that Paul had in mind. Anyway as I read him Paul seems to have based his claim to authority primarily on his status as a witness to Christ and his gospel. But as a Protestant I probably have very a somewhat different conception of ecclesial authority than you do...Aron Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10552077344304954390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-60649141416549841932019-06-20T09:37:58.390-05:002019-06-20T09:37:58.390-05:00The sense of "apostle" that I am interes...The sense of "apostle" that I am interested in seems to me to be neither. It includes *authority*: when Paul talks of his being an apostle, that may include being a witness, but it centrally includes his special apostolic authority. But it goes beyond the 12.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-54798033324814727812019-06-20T01:06:33.314-05:002019-06-20T01:06:33.314-05:00Your post is missing any discussion of what the te...Your post is missing any discussion of what the term "apostle" actually meant to the early Christians. I think it is clear that it was used both in a narrower and a broader sense. In the narrower sense of the word, only the Twelve qualified, and none of them were women. <br /><br />The broader definition was any person who was a direct witness to Jesus' Resurrection. It is in this sense that Paul vigorously defended his own claim to be an apostle, although his apostleship was abnormally timed since Jesus did not appear to him until after the Ascension. But using this definition, the category manifestly includes women, e.g. Mary Magdalene, and in fact I would expect the number of female apostles to be not enormously different from 1/2, given that Jesus' Resurrection appearances included some to large groups of people, which would most naturally have included both sexes.Aron Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10552077344304954390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-69208126322562756422019-06-19T21:18:27.564-05:002019-06-19T21:18:27.564-05:00Interesting. Even if one ups the Junia ratio to 10...Interesting. Even if one ups the Junia ratio to 100%, if one fixes the other numbers, one still gets that it's significantly less than 50% likely that she's an apostle.Alexander R Prusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989277655934827117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3891434218564545511.post-76776920064838925762019-06-19T09:58:19.356-05:002019-06-19T09:58:19.356-05:00The Lexicon of Greek Personal names gives seven re...The Lexicon of Greek Personal names gives seven results for the name Ιουνια, all dating to the imperial era. It gives 0 results for Ιουνιας. However, these are Roman names so you would also need to check the Latin results.Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14736144233077082159noreply@blogger.com