Friday, December 28, 2018

Qualia are not all fundamental entities if theism is true

This argument is sound. I am not sure if premise (2) is true, though.

  1. If God exists, then all fundamental entities are intrinsically good.
  2. Pain qualia are not intrinsically good.
  3. So, pain qualia are not fundamental entities.


Walter Van den Acker said...

You probably mean the argument is valid, but it is only sound if premise (2) is true.

Moreover, actually the argument is not really valid.
Even if we grant both premise (1) and premise (2), the conclusion does not follow.

Alexander R Pruss said...

Yeah, that's what I meant. And the conclusion should have said: So, pain qualia are not fundamental entities, if God exists.

KKND_4936 said...
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KKND_4936 said...

"So, pain qualia are not fundamental entities, if God exists."

Здесь всё ещё есть ошибка. По правилам должно быть так:

1. A => B.
2. !B.
3. !A.

Таким образом, из Вашего рассуждения следует ошибочность антецедента, а не то, что я цитирую. Но я вроде как понимаю, что Вы хотите сказать. Думаю, Вашу мысль лучше выразить так:

4. (Theism postulate): all fundamental entities is intrinsically good.
5. Pain qualia is not intrinsically good.
6. Pain qualia is not fundamental entities.

Alexander R Pruss said...

Yeah, I think you caught the same thing that Walter did. The easiest fix to my post is to change the "If" to "Since" in the first line (and remove "then").

Serge said...

Cursed is the ground for your sake;
Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken;

Maybe Pain is part of the Curse. Ground is cursed and we are taken from that cursed ground, so Pain (from Curse) is ours.

Alexander R Pruss said...

I think God's cursing is probably just a way of saying that he is removing a blessing.